How To End War in Two Generations

This is the story of an extraordinary experiment called "How We Make Peace: A Muslim and a Jew Demonstrate Radical Empathy.”
In the months following October 7, Kawtar El Alaoui, a Muslim Arab Canadian, and David Rubin Sauvage, an American Jew, held three vulnerable, brave and genuinely transformational conversations, in public, about the war in Israel-Palestine.
Because they've both done extensive healing work, they were able to unearth and give voice to profound and painful psychological truths about the Jewish experience, the Arab/Muslim experience and the tension between the two. Their approach was radical empathy: fully engaging with the experience of the other, no matter how difficult.


Here are highlights from the second conversation:
The bet was that radical empathy could turn the horror of war into healing.
The results were even more profound than they anticipated. Folks stuck in cycles of rage and despair found compassion and hope. Witnessing a Jew and an Arab-Muslim hold space for each other, they discovered the humanity of "the other side."
Kawtar and David are now ready to share the lessons–and the technique–from their bold experiment.
This Talk Is Great For:

Companies that want to educate their employees on emotional intelligence and empathy.
Organizations in international relations that want help applying emotional intelligence to their work.
Educational institutions, religious institutions and interfaith groups grappling with holding both sides.
Associations and gatherings that want to offer an experience of the beauty of our shared humanity.
75 Minutes with Q&A
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